Quote by DarkRoseOfHellReligion
isn't only a source of hope, it can be the one that destroys it. Just look at
the jewish (if you're racist, go away) during World War II. During the
concentration camps, they kept trying to hold onto their faith and sooner or
later, they're broke and just became like drones that pratically just walk
around saying they're going to die.
Though I agree with the rest of your argument, I have to disagree with this.
Following the faith of Judaism did not cause Jews to lose faith while in the
concentration camps; the concentration camps caused them to lose faith while in
the concentration camps. In fact, their religion probably helped comfort them in
those inconceivably horrible times. I think what you were trying to say, though,
is that because they were Jewish, the Nazis picked on them, and thus it's
Judaism's fault--not true, it's the Nazis' fault. But I'll get to that in a bit.
:P
Quote by kingray100God did create
everyone and he didnt exclude anything for your information.or do YOU feel
excluded?if so...then case closed.and i dont know the exact facts about
homosexuals and the bible,only God does and we will have to ask such questions
when we leave this sinful world.
Now, that sounds more like dismissal than deductive reasoning to me.
You're saying that you don't even care to understand the reasons or, indeed, the
entire truth around and behind your religion, but simply choose to blindly
follow it without being educated? For shame!
Quote: By the way, i still stick by
my piont in which religion doesnt create war. Its simple to argue why it
isnt...
If it's simple to argue, then why aren't you arguing it?
I think what you're trying to say, though, is a little of what I was saying
earlier--that religion itself doesn't cause wars, people due. That is 100% true,
but only following the same logic behind the saying "Guns don't kill
people, people kill people." Sure, it's the people that are doing the
actual killing, and I won't deny that people would probably find other reasons
to kill each other in horrific ways without religion, but the vast majority of
wars that have been waged in our long history have been fought on the basis of
religion. No, it wasn't the religion itself doing the fighting--that's
impossible. But it was people who were driven by religion that were killing
others, based on doctrines taught in their different faiths. Since the concept
of "religion" can't wage war in itself, I think it's still fair to say
that religion causes wars, by giving people an incentive to fight and kill.
Now, I personally think that it would be impossible for human society to have
developed without any notion of religion. Religion has grown up with the human
race since its origin, however that may have come about, and was an unavoidable
byproduct of human nature--it answers hard questions, lends itself to structured
systems of organization, provides people with a figure of ultimate authority,
and gives them a sense of identity, among other aspects. The facets of religion
are intertwined with human nature.
What I'm saying there is that I'm not knocking religion in particular--religion
is just one thing humans have relied on in order to wage wars. But you can't
deny that religion is the major cause of the majority of wars.
However, as human society has become more modern and complex (thanks to various
scientific developments that have allowed humans to progress), religion has
progressed from simply being an expression of human nature to becoming a range
of stiffly defined institutions which people make conscious decisions to follow.
Now that science has expanded far beyond the medicinal skills of the monks of
long ago, science and religion no longer walk hand in hand as they once did. And
now that science has begun to explain the threshold of reality, often disproving
ancient religious theories in the process, the old role of religion--to explain
the seemingly unexplainable--has all but vanished. And now that the center of
every religion has seemingly moved on from governing this life to claiming,
obfuscating, and compartmentalizing what may or may happen after death, we have
to ask ourselves--what's the point of religion anymore?
To answer my own question, modern-day religion serves only to offer people a
sense of comfort and community, with little to no practical reason for
existence. As long as there are still unanswered questions about the world,
there will be religion--but to deny factual science in favor of ancient
religious theories is more than ridiculous.
Hmm, I think I lost track of what I was trying to say there a little. I hope it
made sense.
Well, my favorite subjects are Japanese, computer science, and the arts.
English is kind of a mixed bag for me... I enjoy writing, but I find much of the
stuff we have to read rather stuffy, and the closed-mindedness about what's
"good" and "bad" in the subject just bothers me.
That said... my least favorite would probably have to be math (although I don't
hate it as much recently) and science (although doing lab experiments can be
kinda fun... all the graphing and reporting is not my cup of tea). I'm just not
as good at those subjects.
History can also be pretty boring, but it depends on the period being studied
and the class. I like modern history.
But the thing is, you know... religion itself may not be capable of starting
wars, but people start wars based on religion. Without religion, there would be
less wars.
But then again, human society without religion, or at least some sort of
spiritual belief, is completely infeasible. So, hey.
What Palin said is true, but I also have to add that the Japanese fascination
with Christianity most likely stems from the Japanese fascination with Western
culture in general, and religion is just one facet of the culture that they'd
like to explore--out of curiosity, not out of any religious
affiliation.
Edit: Whao, this is an old thread. Why did you revive it, Kingray? lol.
Science, not only because I'm an atheist, but simply because human society is
advanced by science, and not religion. Religion is useful to the individual
"soul," sure, in that it gives them peace of mind, community, and a
comforting answer to the scary questions that people have a tendency to ask
themselves, but those things don't actually help a society progress. In fact, no
one can argue that more wars have been started by basis of religion than any
other subject.
Science is secular, and the goal of scientific progress is neither to prove nor
disprove religious theories, but simply to better understand the world that
people live in in order to improve life for people. Science and religion can
work hand in hand; the study and practice of medicine has long been the duty of
monks, for example.
Science in itself is innocent. Scientists aren't trying to "disprove the
Creator," but rather just to explore the world. If it turns out that the
actual facts of our reality are different than religious theories, then it just
underlines the obvious fact that religious philosophers of thousands of years
ago did not have the scientific equipment or knowledge that we do today, and
thus were likely to make incorrect assumptions.
Science is facts, and whether you believe them or not, that doesn't change that
they're facts. And no matter how comforted we may be by them, religious concepts
and theories don't make the world go round--reality does. The goal of science is
to explain reality. The religious observers of old were trying to do the same
thing--just consider today's scientific discoveries updates. :P
Well, I was never raised with any religion, so concepts like God and
spirituality were never part of my life. That being such, I just can't bring
myself to put ultimate faith in the existence of some supreme being without any
sort of proof. Not that I'm particularly cynical, it just seems like a lot of
work without any tangible payoff.
Also, it seems like the vast majority of religions are centered around living
your life a certain way so that you can be repaid in the afterlife, but death
and what may or may not happen after it really doesn't matter to me at all. I am
alive right now, which I know, and while I'm here, I might as well make the most
out of my life. That's what I know, so that's what I do. Spending your life on
earth worrying about what's going to happen after you're dead seems pretty silly
to me.
But again, I was never into the whole religion thing, so I can't really
understand it. I suppose it would help to be born into it, because then you're
not putting any effort into believing the concept to start with--it's just
something that was always there.
The bottom line is that it just doesn't matter to me, so I don't waste my time.
24 hours... ew, no, I don't think so. lol. I don't care much about the people at
school since they think I'm really weird anyway, but it would totally trash my
friendship with the person I was kissing so I'd have to go with a resounding
no...
Would you pull out your fingernails with your own hands for a million dollars?
If you're looking at who's to blame for the rape, then it's obviously the
man--exactly what ZeroFear said.
The girl and her friends, though, are to blame for their poor choice in sniffing
glue in a public place. That doesn't make the rape excusable in any way, though.
In IE6, for me anyway, transparent parts of PNGs just turn gray. But it doesn't
really affect the way the image looks as a whole (well, it could,
but...)
But still, despite how much better PNGs are, until they're supported more widely
(well, I suppose they are supported pretty widely now but there's still the IE
issue) it doesn't seem like it's so much worth the effort for MT to change the
policy... JPEG vectors have always worked fine for me.
I think that it shouldn't be made completely illegal because if someone wouldn't
have wanted to live their life as a vegetable, than isn't it much more cruel to
force them? If someone is completely brain-dead, then they are effectively dead
and have the right to die if that's what they wished. Conversely, if someone had
really believed that they would rather remain as a vegetable forever, then no
one should force them to die.
This year I'm just answering the door, though, but it's fun to go
trick-or-treating when you're younger, and also to go to parties with your
friends... answering the door isn't bad either, since you get to see all the
little kids' costumes.
I like Photoshop, as many other people do--the version I use is CS2, but before
that I used Elements 3.0. I just feel that Photoshop has the best variety of
tools for wallpaper-making and other types of graphic design, not to mention
that since it's so widely used the format is supported lots of places.
For drawing on the computer, though, I'd have to recommend OpenCanvas--the way
the linework comes out is really great (I've never been a fan of the way my
linework came out in Photoshop). Plus, you can save your OpenCanvas files in the
PSD format and transfer them to Photoshop for editing and stuff, and I also do
my coloring in Photoshop with the pen tool.
Though I agree with the rest of your argument, I have to disagree with this. Following the faith of Judaism did not cause Jews to lose faith while in the concentration camps; the concentration camps caused them to lose faith while in the concentration camps. In fact, their religion probably helped comfort them in those inconceivably horrible times. I think what you were trying to say, though, is that because they were Jewish, the Nazis picked on them, and thus it's Judaism's fault--not true, it's the Nazis' fault. But I'll get to that in a bit. :P
Now, that sounds more like dismissal than deductive reasoning to me.
You're saying that you don't even care to understand the reasons or, indeed, the entire truth around and behind your religion, but simply choose to blindly follow it without being educated? For shame!
If it's simple to argue, then why aren't you arguing it?
I think what you're trying to say, though, is a little of what I was saying earlier--that religion itself doesn't cause wars, people due. That is 100% true, but only following the same logic behind the saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Sure, it's the people that are doing the actual killing, and I won't deny that people would probably find other reasons to kill each other in horrific ways without religion, but the vast majority of wars that have been waged in our long history have been fought on the basis of religion. No, it wasn't the religion itself doing the fighting--that's impossible. But it was people who were driven by religion that were killing others, based on doctrines taught in their different faiths. Since the concept of "religion" can't wage war in itself, I think it's still fair to say that religion causes wars, by giving people an incentive to fight and kill.
Now, I personally think that it would be impossible for human society to have developed without any notion of religion. Religion has grown up with the human race since its origin, however that may have come about, and was an unavoidable byproduct of human nature--it answers hard questions, lends itself to structured systems of organization, provides people with a figure of ultimate authority, and gives them a sense of identity, among other aspects. The facets of religion are intertwined with human nature.
What I'm saying there is that I'm not knocking religion in particular--religion is just one thing humans have relied on in order to wage wars. But you can't deny that religion is the major cause of the majority of wars.
However, as human society has become more modern and complex (thanks to various scientific developments that have allowed humans to progress), religion has progressed from simply being an expression of human nature to becoming a range of stiffly defined institutions which people make conscious decisions to follow. Now that science has expanded far beyond the medicinal skills of the monks of long ago, science and religion no longer walk hand in hand as they once did. And now that science has begun to explain the threshold of reality, often disproving ancient religious theories in the process, the old role of religion--to explain the seemingly unexplainable--has all but vanished. And now that the center of every religion has seemingly moved on from governing this life to claiming, obfuscating, and compartmentalizing what may or may happen after death, we have to ask ourselves--what's the point of religion anymore?
To answer my own question, modern-day religion serves only to offer people a sense of comfort and community, with little to no practical reason for existence. As long as there are still unanswered questions about the world, there will be religion--but to deny factual science in favor of ancient religious theories is more than ridiculous.
Hmm, I think I lost track of what I was trying to say there a little. I hope it made sense.
lol, your range of poll options is lame.
Well, my favorite subjects are Japanese, computer science, and the arts.
English is kind of a mixed bag for me... I enjoy writing, but I find much of the stuff we have to read rather stuffy, and the closed-mindedness about what's "good" and "bad" in the subject just bothers me.
That said... my least favorite would probably have to be math (although I don't hate it as much recently) and science (although doing lab experiments can be kinda fun... all the graphing and reporting is not my cup of tea). I'm just not as good at those subjects.
History can also be pretty boring, but it depends on the period being studied and the class. I like modern history.
^ Quit reviving ancient threads!
But the thing is, you know... religion itself may not be capable of starting wars, but people start wars based on religion. Without religion, there would be less wars.
But then again, human society without religion, or at least some sort of spiritual belief, is completely infeasible. So, hey.
What Palin said is true, but I also have to add that the Japanese fascination with Christianity most likely stems from the Japanese fascination with Western culture in general, and religion is just one facet of the culture that they'd like to explore--out of curiosity, not out of any religious affiliation.
Edit: Whao, this is an old thread. Why did you revive it, Kingray? lol.
Science, not only because I'm an atheist, but simply because human society is advanced by science, and not religion. Religion is useful to the individual "soul," sure, in that it gives them peace of mind, community, and a comforting answer to the scary questions that people have a tendency to ask themselves, but those things don't actually help a society progress. In fact, no one can argue that more wars have been started by basis of religion than any other subject.
Science is secular, and the goal of scientific progress is neither to prove nor disprove religious theories, but simply to better understand the world that people live in in order to improve life for people. Science and religion can work hand in hand; the study and practice of medicine has long been the duty of monks, for example.
Science in itself is innocent. Scientists aren't trying to "disprove the Creator," but rather just to explore the world. If it turns out that the actual facts of our reality are different than religious theories, then it just underlines the obvious fact that religious philosophers of thousands of years ago did not have the scientific equipment or knowledge that we do today, and thus were likely to make incorrect assumptions.
Science is facts, and whether you believe them or not, that doesn't change that they're facts. And no matter how comforted we may be by them, religious concepts and theories don't make the world go round--reality does. The goal of science is to explain reality. The religious observers of old were trying to do the same thing--just consider today's scientific discoveries updates. :P
Well, I was never raised with any religion, so concepts like God and spirituality were never part of my life. That being such, I just can't bring myself to put ultimate faith in the existence of some supreme being without any sort of proof. Not that I'm particularly cynical, it just seems like a lot of work without any tangible payoff.
Also, it seems like the vast majority of religions are centered around living your life a certain way so that you can be repaid in the afterlife, but death and what may or may not happen after it really doesn't matter to me at all. I am alive right now, which I know, and while I'm here, I might as well make the most out of my life. That's what I know, so that's what I do. Spending your life on earth worrying about what's going to happen after you're dead seems pretty silly to me.
But again, I was never into the whole religion thing, so I can't really understand it. I suppose it would help to be born into it, because then you're not putting any effort into believing the concept to start with--it's just something that was always there.
The bottom line is that it just doesn't matter to me, so I don't waste my time.
...Because they're symbols of beauty, and there's that myth about the princess turning into a swan... who wants to eat a princess? o_O
Why don't people eat....... wasps?
So... is this something that will appear at the top of the main page? (It's not a skin because it's the wrong size... right?)
And... it should just say "Anime Story Club" or something on it?
24 hours... ew, no, I don't think so. lol. I don't care much about the people at school since they think I'm really weird anyway, but it would totally trash my friendship with the person I was kissing so I'd have to go with a resounding no...
Would you pull out your fingernails with your own hands for a million dollars?
Well, it depends, what fault are you looking at?
If you're looking at who's to blame for the rape, then it's obviously the man--exactly what ZeroFear said.
The girl and her friends, though, are to blame for their poor choice in sniffing glue in a public place. That doesn't make the rape excusable in any way, though.
13, actually... as of right now, there are only 13 episodes and one season, but it's been rumored that a second season might be coming.
No. No amount of money is worth sacrificing my senses... is what I believe.
For a million dollars, would you walk naked into a crowded shopping mall?
Well, I'm a girl... I don't know, it might be even... but maybe slightly more boys?
Hmm... Gin and Ulquiorra.
Whee! I won!
Well, congratulations to everyone! (Do I hear an echo in here?
) I
think they were all really great.
In IE6, for me anyway, transparent parts of PNGs just turn gray. But it doesn't really affect the way the image looks as a whole (well, it could, but...)
But still, despite how much better PNGs are, until they're supported more widely (well, I suppose they are supported pretty widely now but there's still the IE issue) it doesn't seem like it's so much worth the effort for MT to change the policy... JPEG vectors have always worked fine for me.
I think that it shouldn't be made completely illegal because if someone wouldn't have wanted to live their life as a vegetable, than isn't it much more cruel to force them? If someone is completely brain-dead, then they are effectively dead and have the right to die if that's what they wished. Conversely, if someone had really believed that they would rather remain as a vegetable forever, then no one should force them to die.
I do celebrate Halloween.
This year I'm just answering the door, though, but it's fun to go trick-or-treating when you're younger, and also to go to parties with your friends... answering the door isn't bad either, since you get to see all the little kids' costumes.
I like sleep. Sleep is good.
The word "episode" reminds me of soap.
I want a bagel.
Spam is liberating.
I like Photoshop, as many other people do--the version I use is CS2, but before that I used Elements 3.0. I just feel that Photoshop has the best variety of tools for wallpaper-making and other types of graphic design, not to mention that since it's so widely used the format is supported lots of places.
For drawing on the computer, though, I'd have to recommend OpenCanvas--the way the linework comes out is really great (I've never been a fan of the way my linework came out in Photoshop). Plus, you can save your OpenCanvas files in the PSD format and transfer them to Photoshop for editing and stuff, and I also do my coloring in Photoshop with the pen tool.
*pokes head in*
...ohemgee, I have... no idea what anyone is talking about.
Well, HELLO, EVERYONE!
Whee.
tyrant
And RawD, you're supposed to start it with the LAST two letters... lol.
misunderstood
Hmmm... an everything thread? What an interesting idea.
Well, while I'm here--I'm Embershadow (well, I hope you figured that much out already), but you can call me Yuki, and I like chocolate cake.